We’ve had various comments about the moderating policy here on Three Speech (for instance, by mrsatansdojo in the Ray Maguire interview thread). We currently delete comments which consist mainly of expletives but leave the rest live, including comments by those who are somewhat one track-minded!
Let us know your thoughts. Some seem to favour a relative free-for-all; others feel we need to cultivate more considered debate!
Get in touch at [email protected].
More considered debate would be good, but I guess a lot of that can only be generated by people replying.
I like the competitions (looking forward to my copy of Dirt guys, thanks!)
I think what I’d really like to see if updates on releases, PSN content prior to it hitting the store and game updates (e.g. more of the uncharted updates telling us what stage it’s at, especially where GT is concerned!).
I’d also like to think that you guys can in some shape or form feedback the discontent regarding the delay of the PES 2008 Demo that PC & 360 users have no doubt played to death now!
Cheers,
Paul
Comment by Paul W — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
I think you should take the heat when things go wrong , but I support deletion of curse words.
Also when doing compo’s dont make it so ambiguous that you know your going to get hit after hit and reads.
Thanks
But then your not the official site
Comment by komp — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Being a moderator of a forum that leaves almost every comment intact I would opt for you to stay as you are. All comments are welcome but those that are overly sweary, racist, antagonistic or basically just ignorant trolling.
Comment by HaloJ — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:52 pm
The best thing to do is to leave them in. I can think the aggravation people feel from having to muck through it is considerably less then the people who oppose censorship would feel.
Comment by Lupin — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
I think there should be a more robust moderation of the comments as it seems that there are certain individuals who try to generate a negative view of the PS3 in general when in reality most of the comments are constructive and positive. Let’s not forget this is a pro PS3 website. Let’s keep it that way!
Comment by pmj — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
I also believe there is too much almost forced, auto pilot negativity against Sony. But I can see why it’s hard for 3speech to delete such stuff and ultimately support your honest approach
Comment by Belfast Steps — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
I will admit for posting on threespeech i’m pretty new (2 months or so) but for reading - almost since the beginning, and I can say this:
To have such an outlet available to the public; where consumers can get access and feedback direct from the developer - having a free-for-all posting system (like now) allowes for quick replies and quick answers….
But…
Going down the road of censoring posts, possibly even requiring registration would ultimately block potential posters who may have had a quick point to make.
You can pretty much ignore everything that i’ve just wrote as it probably doesn’t make any sense ^^
if folk are angry or annoyed at individual posters i’m all for it - debate is AWESOME! especially on subject matter you care about….but if you have 12 year old fan boys (mentality) spurring hate cries on companies and hardware it gets old fast.
So as an idea - code into the site a point system for posts - if many folk deem a post unnecessary the post is removed/placed down the bottom (point system allocated once per ip address? - just a thought)
I’m all for the way this place is currently run, and my point is probably muddled up but i hope you at least get what i’m trying to say!
I like it being open, and aslong as folk are generally decent and well-minded in there posts ( not to forget courtesy surrounding stealing anyone elses usernames ) - then i’m a happy chappy.
:)
Comment by JohnSketch — Oct 9, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
its a give and take but its one thing to promote and support free speech .. its another to poop where you eat .. and quite another all together to bite the hand that feeds you.
places like threespeech should be a PlayStation positive platform .. that does not mean that criticism is not allowed however .. constructive crit should be encouraged and the fact that its listened to made public .
Comment by sectionz — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Free speech should go hand in hand with three speech i think.
(i can imagine removing threads that consist of pure expletives, bit for the rest.. free speech also involves things you don’t like).
However, an option might be to leave moderation to the users in a way, by allowing registered users, or with a cookie set, to ‘close’ comments on a thread, and to have a /ignore option if somebody really bugs you by just not seeing their comments (for a limited amount of time?) ..)
free speech also includes the part where you can decide for yourself what you listen to or read
Comment by Xtc — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
I think its best to leave most of the posts as they are intended. Sometimes laying down your thoughts and feelings just isnt enough and you need that extra swear word to get the point across.
Perhaps posts that should be moderated are the ones that lead on to a slagging match between a few people, which then takes attention away from the original thread.
Comment by PJ — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
I vote leave comments as they are and just moderate/delete any abusive or down right stupid posts!
That way we can see what people are really saying and get a good veiw on subjects and peoples feelings.
so yeah dont touch the comments!
Comment by Ricky — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Leave comments as they are. But delete stupid ones like “ZOMFG NO GAMEZ ON PS3ZZ!11!”.
God damn it though, why do Xbox Live get the PES demo earlier then PSN?!? When Konami are almost hand in hand with Sony and after all, Playstation is the native platform for the PES series, no?
If Sony spoke to us more, i wouldnt have a problem. But they keep so tight lipped about everything. TELL US WHY WE DONT HAVE THE DEMO YET!
Reza
Comment by Reza — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
Some news about psn updates, both store and content wise
a suggestion area where we can put suggestions for psn and you guys can ask the folks if they will be done for us (but ban idiots repeating i want in game XMB 50 times)
All in all this is a good banterous site, certainly moderation is needed, but we would like to be able to put comments to sony and get you guys to give us feedback
Comment by Paul — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
If you over censor then you risk looking like you are trying to hide something, if you under censor then you will lose the regulars as they will have to sift through too much noise before reading the thoughtful posts. I think you guys are doing a great job so far, but I hope that SCEE UK trawl through these threads sometimes just to keep their fingers on the pulse of the die hard Sony fans and detractors. This will help them keep existing customers and should give and insight into what they need to do to win over the “non-believers”.
Peace!
Comment by Savage — Oct 9, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
ban anyone for life for demanding ‘in-game xmb’
more news from the land of the rising yen plz.
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Here’s today’s insult, European PS3 fans! The Japanese get a white one next month. And it costs 39,980 yen which is slightly over HALF the UK price. And there’s a white DualShock 3 coming out at the same time, which you’re not allowed to give Sony more money for until next spring.
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i like the idea of an ‘ignore’ button, maybe have it set to 7 days and keep an IP log of persistent posters who have been ignored. the moderation seems to be working fine as it is from what i read.
keep up the good work. and for the compos in the future maybe a ‘first 5 drawn from the hat’ system would work better for those of us that actually have lives/work/girlfriends that stop us from reading the blog 24/7
Comment by mobiletone — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:06 pm
censorship of any kind is a bad thing but language moderation is a unfortunate side effect of not age restricting this site and provided its done in a manner that alows the poster to still get their point across eg. “when the is home coming out” then i see no real problems
Comment by setarcosp — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
i think you do a very good job of moderating - even leaving some of the fanboy crap in
content wise, i’d like to see you wielding you influence to bring us more exclusive stuff
[oh, and more competitions with free stuff would be nice
]
Comment by Fid — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
While I personally like to keep my comments intelligent, I think it best to continue to allow those ‘less enriching’ posts to continue.
The fact is, Threespeech is already thought of as little more than a marketing mouthpiece for Sony, a slightly more honest version of All I Want for Christmas is a PSP. The news here is, of course, given a shiny PR slant, but that news is rarely exclusive. The end result is that the blog lacks the impact of say, Major Nelson but suffers all the same credibility issues.
To censor comments further, even stupid ones, is not likely to increase the reputation of Threespeech and will likely reinforce the idea that the whole site is BS. I think keeping the commentary open, even to trolls, is an important source of credibility for the blog and that without it, what little respect the place gets will be completely undermined.
Comment by warmwaterpenguin — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
Leave it free-for-all. Delete the swearing if you have to.
If you wanna promote healthy discussion, get a forum, and heavily moderate that.
Comment by Soong — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
I think the moderation is fine as it is. It’s a pity that some people just post the same mindless garbage over and over. However, to sensor these people would just make them even more annoying as they would vent even more frustration elsewhere.
I like JohnSketch’s idea of having a rank system for comments. Then I could sort them enabling me to read the worthwhile ones first. Posters would also be reworded for spending time over their comments by being ranked highly in the list.
Comment by reakt — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
reworded = rewarded!
Comment by reakt — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Hi,
I’m against deleting a comment but the best way I’ve seen to avoid trolls is to let the reader rate the other comments.
For example a comment with a bad rating should be collapsed (but readers can still read expand them and read them if they want)…
Moreover, that will let 3 Speech know what the users really think: for example, a comment about in-game XMB will have a really good rating and that will show that people really care of that.
Comment by Didier H. — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
I support the idea of deleting posts that are mainly expletives, but as a compromise with free speech would a profanity filter work? I dont know how hard it would ne to implement, but a filter that replaces bad language with stars or other symbols would keep the post intact and get across the posters message without the offense caused by swearing.
With that said, i do feel that three speech has one of the better comments sections, rarely descending into an inane console slagging match. I guess thats a testament to both your moderators andthe commentors!
One thing i would like to see more of is the early reporting of content to be added to PSN. I know this is not always possible with sony usually being tight lipped, but when the updates are reported i really enjoy hearing about them a day or so early.
Comment by OtakuPunk — Oct 9, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
ThreeSpeech may mean free mind speaking but responsability and common sense is always needed.
Respect goes well in hand with ThreeSpeech, everywhere.
Considered debate is what we need, we don`t need people talking more than they should using the wrong words.
I think you do well when you moderate some things.
We can`t ask you to be our European version of the Sony US Playstation Blog because apparently you simply can`t be.
Comment by GabranthPT — Oct 9, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
I agree with the comments so far - ThreesSpeech should be about free speech.
I can understand mrsatansdojo’s frustration at all the negative (and repetitive) posts regarding the 40GB models lack of b/c and the belief Sony are “screwing Europe”, but to delete the negative comments to leave only the “pro-Sony” comments would go down like a lead balloon! It would be a real step backwards for the site and basically destroy one of its core values.
Comments that are off topic or insulting/racist etc should be removed, as should comments that are troll posts that add nothing to the discussion like “Sony sux, 360 ftw!” Everything else should stay, whether they agree with the views of the original article or not.
If ThreeSpeech wanted to go whole hog they could always implement a registration system and maybe set up a forum. This would allow regular users to discuss their own topics in the forum without “hijacking” the comments of news stories, for example there would be a “Where is Sony’s response on why our PSN Store is crap” topic, instead of it appearing in every other news article posted!
You could still give the option of anonymous posting in the comments section of news stories if you wanted to keep an “open to all” approach, but it gives the regulars the opportunity to discuss things not mentioned in the main articles - these could then be used to inspire future news articles.
If that approach is taken, the forum shouldn’t focus on game releases or system wars or general discussion etc. But purely be used to allow members to give feedback to Sony/SCEE/developers etc and also feedback to the blog itself about what people want to see in future articles. A forum is also a good medium to handle competitions and polls etc, without needing to e-mail individual replies.
This very article is an example – it wouldn’t say get in touch via e-mail it would be a link to a sticky topic on the forum. In other words I’m not saying you should take on the official PlayStation Boards, but rather have some specific forums relevant only to this site that will help the comments on the news stories stay focussed without going off topic or becoming overly long.
Comment by Apnomis — Oct 9, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
As someone who has run a couple of websites where trolling became a problem I think just requiring registration often is enough to curb the issue. People tend to tone down childish behavior when faced not being able to post stupid comments without at least a verified email address. And its also more painful to register multiple accounts every time one old getting banned for trolling.
Manually removing comments is a lot of work and you face a boring situation of deletion/posting ‘wars’ with some of the most obnoxious posters.
Rating also has limitations and I haven’t really seen it work nicely anywhere as you tend to get rating battles going.
Comment by Christian — Oct 9, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
OPEN RESPONSE TO Threespeech,
The biggest problem you face is that Europe is a poor cousin of America.
SCEA have a great website, with an official blog, good PSN updates etc etc etc I know you are bored of hearing this but how can you compete?!?!?!?
Threespeech, as much as I like the ethics of the site it does not deliver what it should… I think Threespeech offered the hope of a go between the poor Europe user and the beast that is Sony… so far it has not delivered…. The constant moaning, the repetitive arguments could be solved once and for all by Threespeech getting Sony on board and telling us straight why certain things happen, delivering on promises made etc etc etc….. The news on this site is less and less relevant, poor debate is constant and the psoting numbers are weak….
Unless things get aligned across Europe and America i do not see the point in a poor scee website and a third rate blog that cant deliver what the yanks get…
Moderate all you like but unless you deliver you will become less and less important to the masses.
Comment by DaveTheTabe — Oct 9, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
Moderation is not bad as long as also the negative is not getting filtered out completely
why do i read on other sites that SINGSTAR has been delayed for undetermined time?..
SONY is more and more becoming SO-NOT
Undetermined delay of Home.
Undetermind delay of Singstar
EU gets an overpriced console compaired to asia & US and the crappiest online store.
Comment by Darkie — Oct 9, 2007 @ 9:44 pm
You should leave comments intact but have a system where we can ignore other users, or create our own moderating filters whereby we can filter out any comment asking why the EU PSN isn’t as up to date as the US, etc. (this might be more for browser/blog/extension software developers as would be useful on other sites as well).
Comment by Sherlock — Oct 9, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
gime the motherfucking pro evo 2008 demo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by snake — Oct 9, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
Obvioulsy expletives,racism etc are not acceptable but people are being driven to obscene rants by the frustrating lack of answers.
If you start censoring though it will be very easy just to censor everything that Sony don’t like the sound of.
Believe me as a PS3 owner I am no troll but it I am concerned about the quality of service and lack of information we receive and will express that concern until such times as we receive a satisfactory answer form a Sony official or the situation changes for the better.
I think the general attitude of Sony towards it’s EU customers is a disgrace.
I think Threespeech should make more of an effort to grill these guys with the questions we ask and want answered rather than pander to a script of pre-approved questions, this would be true journalism. As it stands at the moment you are acting as nothing more than a spin doctor and propaganda machine for PS3 with anything criticising PS3 being labelled a troll or an x-bot or whatever.
I want PS3 to succeed and be great but it never will be unless they acknowledge the negative points and fix them.
Sony’s blind denial about disappointing sales of PS3 is embarrasing, if it was going to plan they wouldn’t drop the price or bring out stripped down versions, let’s be clear on that and start having a bit of honesty from Sony and yourselves.
Comment by Tone Capone — Oct 9, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
I love freedom of speach but blantant one liners like
sony pi**ing on european gamers
really get me blood boiling. Lets face it if we all had the same opinions this forum would be rubbish, and we wouldnt need to voice our concerns but we do need to address some of the more blatant fanboyism and downright ruddness of some posts.
comment 28 is another example, give him the demo but for god sake tell us why you want it so much and maybe your expectations and desires for the game
If the above line was accompainied with some form of explanation and insight then it is totally diffrent.
Comment by Orbstah — Oct 9, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Yeah I also agree with many others, leave most posts as they are…
Just delete the racist or abusive posts, which are clearly there to aggravate and add no value to the discussions.
Comment by King Ownage — Oct 10, 2007 @ 12:33 am
I personally think you don’t send our message across to Sony. And if you do, you don’t send us back a response. Getting a simple message from Sony saying “In-game XMB is something we’re working in” would put a lot of our minds to ease.
Comment by Carl — Oct 10, 2007 @ 12:47 am
just delete highly offensive/abusive posts
Comment by mark — Oct 10, 2007 @ 2:11 am
The point of threespeech is for people to be able to freely speak out and give their opinions about SCEE so that their points get across uncensored. Therefore, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Comment by Sion Walter Mowbray — Oct 10, 2007 @ 9:15 am
Pretty much agree with most others here, it’s only the really offensive/racist/abusive stuff that should be removed.
Leave everything else as it is, it’s entertaining if nothing else and the good posts always shine through. The best posts aren’t always positive (and let’s be honest, Sony don’t make it easy to remain that way sometimes) and shouldn’t have to be, but there are loads of people who take the time to post interesting and well thought out responses here, which must be the aim at the end of the day.
Besides, I actually get concerned when I don’t see the daily request for ‘in-game XMB’ or the ‘update on why teh Euro PSN suck’. It’s like they just don’t care anymore… which makes me a little sad inside.
Comment by Dan (PSN - Detale) — Oct 10, 2007 @ 9:21 am
Here’s the issue.
It’s not the moderation of comments by Three Speech, it’s the moderation of CONTENT, by Sony.
Three Speech is a blog that has become toothless.
If I want any form of Sony / PS3 related news, Three Speech is not my first point of call. Take yesterday for example, without Three Speech, I learned about the delay of Singstar and the new Ceramic White PS3 launch. Just from me checking NewsNow, or other gaming websites in my lunch hour.
Surely Three Speech should be the hub of all Sony knowledge?
So why isn’t it? It’s due to censorship and moderation from Sony, and this limits what the writers at Three Speech can do.
Now, if a handful of people have asked the question, “Where’s the PES demo?”, they’re doing so because they believe this to be the correct place, a mouthpiece aimed at Sony.
If someones asking about in-game XMB, however tedious you may find it, they’re hardly doing anything wrong. That’s what this website is for, and the more you ignore these very ‘basic’ requests then the more aggressive and repetative they’ll become.
To title this up with a comment such as, “including those who are slightly one-track minded!”, is a little harsh in my opinion. Where should they be asking this question / complaint? Because i’m sure, like most, they were under the impression it was Three Speech?
So the moderation of comments is surely a non-issue. Common-sense suggests, swearing and racist remarks.
I think what your (or perhaps someone else ..) getting fed-up with is the amount of anti-Sony posts on a semi-official site. But this is easily rectified, start answering some questions, start giving feedback, even the smallest amount of information will tone down some of the posters in this forum.
So when ‘did’ you last ask Sony about in-game XMB, and what was their response? Similarly, the new PES demo. Which has been on LIVE now for around 2 1/2 weeks.
Valid questions in my opinion, no need to moderate them.
Comment by GIANT ENEMY CRAB — Oct 10, 2007 @ 9:48 am
Threespeech should equal freespeech. You see what I did there?
Seriously, at a time when some feel Sony are really struggling, it is important that the views of the punters is allowed to be heard, positive or negative. Too many Sony websites right now are fanboy-fests.
Comment by russ — Oct 10, 2007 @ 9:50 am
The funny thing is that this thread is probably the most civil in a long time here
. Think there are one comment so far which lacks any kind of civility and intelligence behind it (#28).
Comment by Christian — Oct 10, 2007 @ 10:11 am
It seems the censorship has begun already.
Where has my earlier post on this thread gone?
It contained nothing offensive,racist etc yet it did express my displeasure at the current PS3 situation in an intelligent rational manner and lo and behold it has been deleted.
Freedom of speech!? but just watch what you say
Comment by Ton Capone — Oct 10, 2007 @ 10:15 am
@35 - But you have to consider that (28) is perhaps a touch frustrated!
If you keep asking a question and get no answer, what are you supposed to do? Politely give in, Why??
The PES question is a valid one, and if it had been answered in the first place (or at least acknowledged!) then perhaps some posters wouldn’t feel the need to swear and shout.
Let’s face it, update day tommorrow and we’re non the wiser. That is just all wrong. As I said, the demos been on Xbox LIVE for just shy of 3 weeks. It’s an issue that should be addressed.
Comment by GIANT ENEMY CRAB — Oct 10, 2007 @ 10:24 am
@42: Sure, I can understand that people get frustrated. But I think maybe the answer to be given here is for the 3speech guys to clarify their role to the site readers. I doubt its in the job description to call around to Sony and other game publishers about such details everytime someone wonders about something. And I got a feeling that the frustrated people wouldn’t get less frustrated if they where given the answer ’sorry, we don’t know’ no matter how true it is.
Comment by Christian — Oct 10, 2007 @ 10:52 am
@34 Carl - We do listen to you Carl (and to all of you in fact) and we do build lists of questions for Sony and give the reponses we do get when they are replied to. This is a very interesting debate and thank you all for taking the time to comment. You are being heard.
Comment by Three Speech — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Being open and honest is fine. I think comments that are contain swearing or attack other people should be removed but with regards to one track comments, they are often ignored and said people will eventually get bored. Keep free speech at ThreeSpeech.
Comment by Terry — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:08 am
I like this site because it doesnt contain the fanboy culture that affects so many other forums. Its grown up and mostly intelligent. Woo.
Comment by Terry — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:10 am
@44 (Three Speech)
Fair enough your listening, but It’s the lack of action that’s the issue.
I ‘listen’ to my other-half about her day at work for e.g, but unfortunately that’s not good enough, she demands some form of response from me!
If you’ve listened to Carl, then why not answer the question, regardless of how pleasing the answer is going to be.
@43, Christian I agree to an extent. Clarification as to the role of Three Speech would help, but I think you’ll find it’s supposed to be a method of communication for PS3 consumers. And I’m not suggesting Three Speech ask Sony and other publishers ‘every’ question posted on here. But reoccuring posts re: PES 08 & in-game XMB should be adressed. They’re not contentious issues, I just don’t see why it’s asking too much for a response, do you?
Comment by GIANT ENEMY CRAB — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:16 am
If people disagree with Sony policies & actions, they should be allowed to say that here in an APPROPRIATE and MATURE manner. As Playstation fans we wont always agree on what Sony does, but being allowed to communicate here makes us feel Sony is listening. An open debate keeps the loyal PlayStation fans talking here.
I understand that people have their own favourite console brand, but ThreeSpeech discussion is often hijacked by people with an agenda.
Gary Cutlack from OXM.co.uk genuinely HATES Sony and Playstation. Not dislikes, HATES. For a man in his late thirties this behaviour doesn’t indicate a healthy state of mind. He regularly post fake comments on ThreeSpeech purportedly from genuine fans, and makes his own t-shirts with anti-Playstation comments! He also encourages his visitors to do the same.
ThreeSpeech is a website for PlayStation fans. By allowing unfiltered comments you allow these haters to win. They will then be free to abuse the PS3 and promote the Xbox 360. PLAYSTATION FANS ARE TRUTHFUL NOT HATEFUL.
Comment by Andronix — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:19 am
@48 Try not to take life to seriously. “This aint living!”
Comment by GIANT ENEMY CRAB — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:23 am
@ GIANT ENEMY CRAB (42 & 47)
I hear what you’re saying, and you’re putting it reasonably which is probably why I’m actually bothering to type this out…
I’d prefer to hear different things from ThreeSpeech, not just the news that I can get from a dozen other gaming websites. Yes, there’s a white PS3 coming out, but it’s just been announced for Japan so as far as I’m concerned is completely off the EU agenda for now. I’d like to know about games, what’s coming, when, pretty pictures and footage. Use that behind-the-scenes access to get us interesting info. And if you could post the PSN listings prior to their Thursday release, then that would be great. Although there is something to be said for getting home after work on Thursday and getting a nice surpise (like last week).
And I’m all for getting answers to questions, but it’s the same people posting the same question every time. If there were ten or fifteen different people in one comments thread all asking where the PES demo is, or where the in-game XMB is, then I could understand it. But it isn’t really is it?
It’s the same two or three people every single time, regardless of the topic covered in the actual post itself. That’s what bores me personally. It’s like kids in the back of the car… are we there yet… are we there yet. You know that response to that is to turn the bloody car around isn’t it. It was when I was a kid (that or a quick slap).
If I’ve learnt anything in life (and my missus would probably say that I haven’t) then it’s that you get a reasonable answer by asking reasonably. The cut & paste chap has disappeared now, obviously realising that nobody was paying attention to him. People who put things in a reasonable manner and don’t expect a 36ms response may find that answers do occasionally appear.
People want to hear actual answers, and I’m sure that’s what the ThreeSpeech chaps are trying to get. If the answer to every question was “we don’t know, but we’re asking” then all the threads would be full of people whinging that ThreeSpeech are useless, they don’t know this, they don’t know that, they work out of a garden shed and my cousin Trev knows more than them etc, etc.
Not sure where I’m going with this now, I’ve rambled well off track but basically there seem to be a load of semi-decent people prepared to discuss things here, and I think we can leave the moderation where it is at the moment. I can’t type much more as my thumb still hurts from playing that bloody SKATE demo too much. I think I’m going to need to build up some serious thumb muscles before it’s released (Friday isn’t it?).
So to conclude…
Leave comments alone, just get rid of racist or abusive ranting.
Keep the updates regular, but try not to repeat the same press releases that all the other gaming sites churn over and over.
If you do get answers from Sony (or anyone else), print them in BOLD ALL CAPS so we know.
And where’s the bloody PES demo?
Comment by Dan (PSN - Detale) — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:51 am
@47: No asking for a response isn’t to much. But dealing with a huge established organization like Sony I guess getting answers to simple questions might take time. And depending on what the true answer is they might not get a reply at all. For instance if the reason for the PES demo being late is that ‘Todd in the QA department had an accident with his fridge falling over him causing him to spend a week in the hospital, thus all the things Todd was working on got a little delayed’ then I assume Sony would be hesitant to give an actual answer. In other cases it would just take shitloads of time as 3speech as a question to their contact at Sony UK. That contact has to talk to someone else at Sony UK to try to find out who would know. That person would then contact someone at Sony Japan who in turn would contact the manager of the group in question. Who then would ask the developers working on XMB what the status is. This information would then go to Sony marketing global for approval. Sony marketing has some follow up questions and it would go down the line again. The information then goes back up. Sony global decides that some limited information is ok to send out at this point due to a worry that more details might cause a backlash later if implementation details change. This information is then passed to Sony marketing UK, which pass it on the 3speech contact person at Sony, which then pass the information on to 3speech, who then finally are able to post something which might not be informative enough to make readers happy. Anyway, from the start to the end of this process 1,5 Month went by.
Comment by Christian — Oct 10, 2007 @ 11:58 am
@50 (DAN)
I agree with you. It’s boring reading the same old questions in every comments section.
BUT! .. This is easily resolved.
Answer them!
I’ve never seen a question answered. I think I know why, and that’s what I don’t like personally.
Whose to say these annoying posters would be annoying if their perfectly reasonable requests were answered on this semi-official(!) blog?
I agree that it’s a handful of posters, but seeing how those posters are treated, both from the Three Speech staff and other users, I don’t blame others for not wanting to post similar points! I’d love an update regarding in-game XMB and PES! (especially PES please!!) but certainly don’t want to recieve the reaction it would get on here, and also see very little point in asking, despite me thinking that was the purpose of the blog..
I think IF reasonable questions in posts were addressed, BUT said poster continued to rant about the same topic, then we should be having this discussion about moderation. But we’re not quite there yet, and I think it’s unfair to label posters “Trolls” or undercover-Gary Cutlack renegades, just because they’re asking valid questions on a PS3 blog, created for that very reason!
I also would rather read a news story about a new model PS3 (with quite a signficant price cut) and the delay of Singstar than a lot of the non-PS3 related topics that are posted, that’s just my opinion though.
And, of course..
Where’s the bloody PES demo?
Comment by GIANT ENEMY CRAB — Oct 10, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
@51
Christian, that’s just not the case. It’s doesn’t take that long to find out why PES is delayed. And it’s now been delayed nearly 3 weeks.
But if you DO firmly believe all you wrote, then what on earth is the point of Three Speech? A mouthpiece to Sony that can’t actually get back to you, due to niggly bureaucratic issues that cause a bit of bother?
How does MajorNelson cope then? How does Kotaku /IGN / Eurogamer get news items before Three Speech?
Comment by GIANT ENEMY CRAB — Oct 10, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I guess you can say that to keep folk happy - post more information?
ThreeSpeech becomes a blog on everything sony/first,third party and everything about the playstation experience.
wait….
Isn’t that what this place is!!!!???!!! @_@!!!! OMG!!
I like it how it is, and I enjoy the banter with those who come here, I consider myself a regular - with a point to make, and I feel satisfied that my points do get heard.
I would even be inclined to provide a guest blog post if allowed - I hold the belief that threespeech allows me to get involved and I wouldn’t want that to change.
Comment by JohnSketch — Oct 10, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
@53: the point is doing exactly what they are doing now, bringing us some news tidbits which we might not get anywhere else combined with news we do get somewhere else also. Its a channel for Sony to provide some news and information which isn’t newsworthy in some sense. Like the heavenly sword concept art wasn’t something you can send out a press release about or even get gamespot to do an interview over, but its still has some value to the PS3 fanbase. Or do silly ‘mini competitions’ like the Coling McRae thing. Or bring news tidbits which to light which might have stayed off your radar elsewise, like Uncharted getting 1080i support or Epic clarifying the situation on the UT3 release.
And sometimes they are to bring out other news tidbits about Sony’s doings and pre-announce the weeks PSN releases and so on.
My point is that 3speech or any other community communication blog/forum can bring you some extra information, but if you hope to be able to always come here to find answers then I think you are doomed to get disapointed. And as the 3speech guys build and increase their network of people inside Sony they might be able to provide more answers over time in a rapid manner.
And as someone who has pre-ordered PES I would love to get my hands on the demo as soon as possible too. And I have not more information than anyone else on why its delayed, my example was just based on my experience working for other similar sized organizations.
Personally I don’t mind if people a post comment like ‘hey, any chance you have any news on the PES demo? or can tell us when you expect to be able to have such information?’ every day. What tires me quite a lot though is comments like ‘hey dickheads, get your heads out of your mom’s ass and find out why the PES demo is late. Or are you and Sony so lost in the dark that you can’t’. If I was working at 3speech I would be more motivated to reply to the first kind of repeated request, than the second. Even if the answer would be something like ‘we are trying to ping some people on it, but no update yet, we will let you know if/when we hear something’.
Comment by Christian — Oct 10, 2007 @ 1:34 pm
Just to echo what Christian has said above and add my 2 cents - I am a massive PES fan like a lot of people seem to be on threespeech and can understand why people want the demo as soon, if not earlier, than people who own other gaming platforms. But as others have said, there’s a right way and wrong way to get a response, and just because you don’t have to look people in the eye, doesn’t mean you turn into an immature babboon incapable of intelligent conversation or posting.
It’s a good thing that Sony/3S have opened up this dialogue and I’m sure we all look forward to future developments on a variety of issues. I just don’t see the point in juvenile posting to a major corporation - would you talk to a boss/contractor/client in that way at work? Do you go into the cinema and scream the place down because they aren’t showing Spiderman 6718 a day early like the place down the road? I think people still assume that console gaming is for kids, when, particularly in Sony’s case, the target audience is generally older.
What bummed me out yesterday was the fact that every thread was being hijacked in a non-constructive way. Of course I like hearing other people’s views, even if I don’t agree with them, but there comes a point, after trawling through countless gaming forums, where I thought I’d finally found a place of like-minded people who were alble to express themselves in a manner other than so called ‘fanboyism’.
I suppose my appeal was aimed at other forum ‘members’ as much as threespeech. Like many people have said already, we are here because we own and have derived enjoyment from Sony platforms. I’m not advocating censorship by threespeech, more appealing to people posting to add their own thoughts and ideas in a way that will enrich the experience/resource ‘we’ - meaning us and threespeech - are trying to build.
Comment by mrsatansdojo — Oct 10, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
@ CRAB-MAN
I don’t want to stifle anyone, or make anyone feel like they can’t post their ramblings, rantings or anything else here (but no pictures of anyone’s mum please, I couldn’t bear it). Lord knows it never stopped me. I know that I sometimes come off a little rude and probably condescending, but that’s the wonder of the internet when a jokey dig at someone gets misconstrued as an insult and it all gets a bit messy. Besides I’m getting old so I’m allowed to be grumpy.
I’m not down for labelling anyone as a troll, or anything else for that matter. But respect goes both ways, so I do have problems with people saying things online that they would never say to a stranger’s face in person. Every day. For 3 weeks. At least take the time to read the article and comment on that too, then slip in your question at the end. Hell, there’s an email address at the top of the page so drop them a line and ask them directly.
I guess I was just looking for something a bit different from this site. I’ve got RSS feeds coming out of my ears for gaming news, and I find it hard to believe that this is somebody’s only source of PS3 news. I’d prefer to see different content rather than the same old recycled press releases. Concept art, interviews, all that jazz.
On another note…
If, god forbid, PES turns out to be a steaming pile then we’re all going to look like a right bunch of self-righteous tools aren’t we?
And on a better note…
FRD formally announce what everyone knew, and Timesplitters 4 is in development. Monkeys, bloody monkeys.
Comment by Dan (PSN - Detale) — Oct 10, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
@ Tone Capone
If your comments was anything like your other comments on Threespeech then I understand why it got deleted, idiotic posts should be moderated
As for the topic, Threespeech should respond more offen to post, both positive & negative
Comment by TGO — Oct 10, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
most critcs and rants are true. as long as SCEE screws us european over and over (delay of games, emtpy psn store(s), pricing) - people will come here and rant again and again. sure, some peopley use bad language to rant, but hey, would SCEE just wake up and do something about the issues of that ranting, nobody would complain - or at least the complaining wouldnt be so over the top negative.
and yeah, three-speech is semi-official, so they take the hit first and formost for that. sad, but true.
Comment by .ram — Oct 10, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
No offence threespeech but many people I know think you are the left arm that hanging on by a tread, you try to put across that you are the semi-official voice for SCEE.
But your not SCEE
And thats its..
The US has a whole blog, that gets regular updates and actually has moderator replys to comments, we get updates days after the actual event with no answers to the real questions, or in many cases no real updates.
For example what ever happened to that statement from SCEE to why weekin Weekout the EU store is shallow in comparisons to the US store.
Why are games in Europe constantly delayed, for example Lair its been out in the US for 2 months now, still no official release date.
Why is Stranglehold constantly delayed with no real explanation
Why is it that Tekken 5: DR Online has been released on every store except in europe.
Real answers to real questions is what people expect, and sadly we don’t feel we are getting them.
Comment by AliC — Oct 10, 2007 @ 6:52 pm
My comment:
What is Sony offering to early adopters in the UK who have so far had a raw deal?
Answer please…
Comment by gobucks — Oct 11, 2007 @ 1:10 am
I don’t want to see censorship here.
Comment by Joel — Oct 11, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
Where’d the rest of my post go?!
Comment by Joel — Oct 11, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
61) How exactly have early adopters had a raw deal. Yes we paid more, but we also have been able to use it for 6 months. All technology goes down in price, I bought my PS2 on launch day and with inflation that cost more than my PS3 did, yet now it only costs £99.
Comment by John — Oct 16, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
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